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	<title>Comments on: MICHAEL VICK-TIM?</title>
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		<title>By: J.C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 05:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe one day you two will get a chance to hug it out. lol</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Mazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 13:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo, DANK, tell JC not to run old shit that you aint gonna stand by completely. : ) Saves me the trouble of wanting to send some pit bulls after you.

As for letting him play in the NFL, I say BAN HIS ASS. Fuck this shit... most businesses would NEVER rehire you after you went to jail for such horrible crimes and I see no reason that the NFL should be any different. My feeling is, if it wouldn&#039;t be okay for me to do that and get my job back, no reason an already overpaid athlete should get MORE special privileges. That piece of shit already made enough money and if he wasn&#039;t smart enough to save it, fuck him. He made MILLIONS and was, at the same time, murdering animals for fun.

Let him go play in the CFL, though I think Canada is smart enough to tell him to fuck off.

: )

Cool news about Obama and weed. Legalize it, brutha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, DANK, tell JC not to run old shit that you aint gonna stand by completely. : ) Saves me the trouble of wanting to send some pit bulls after you.</p>
<p>As for letting him play in the NFL, I say BAN HIS ASS. Fuck this shit&#8230; most businesses would NEVER rehire you after you went to jail for such horrible crimes and I see no reason that the NFL should be any different. My feeling is, if it wouldn&#8217;t be okay for me to do that and get my job back, no reason an already overpaid athlete should get MORE special privileges. That piece of shit already made enough money and if he wasn&#8217;t smart enough to save it, fuck him. He made MILLIONS and was, at the same time, murdering animals for fun.</p>
<p>Let him go play in the CFL, though I think Canada is smart enough to tell him to fuck off.</p>
<p>: )</p>
<p>Cool news about Obama and weed. Legalize it, brutha!</p>
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		<title>By: dank</title>
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		<dc:creator>dank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and for shits and giggles i read in High Times Obama ordered an end to federal raids on California Weed farms and clinics before that &quot;Town Meeting.&quot;...not enough, but at least he isn&#039;t stopping states from creating their own legislature on the subject, which i guess is kind of like decriminalization. Plus if its still illegal federally  it will keep the greedy corporates hands off the profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and for shits and giggles i read in High Times Obama ordered an end to federal raids on California Weed farms and clinics before that &#8220;Town Meeting.&#8221;&#8230;not enough, but at least he isn&#8217;t stopping states from creating their own legislature on the subject, which i guess is kind of like decriminalization. Plus if its still illegal federally  it will keep the greedy corporates hands off the profits.</p>
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		<title>By: dank</title>
		<link>http://jointcontrast.com/2009/05/michael-vick-tim/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>dank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*&quot;young project boy named michael&quot; -  that sounds horrible i shouldnt have wrote that...
**i think you misread the part about his peers, i was speaking on people who helped HIM as a chiid growing up and who grew up in the same place not people he helped after he became famous which ur insinuating.

heres a couple things i do stand by however

1. He has served his debt and SHOULD be allowed to play football again without further punishment from the NFL(even though i don&#039;t think he was that good to begin with and no im not a fan.)

2. I do think an argument exists for a child or young adult fighting a dog because everything he&#039;s ever been taught says &quot;thats what you do with that kind of dog.&quot;

One of my best friends is from Manilla, one of the most populated and poor places on earth. As a child he said they collected and fought all kinds of animals from banana spiders to roosters for money. Keep in mind there is very little economy there, and hardly enough food or water to go around(akin to american inner cities.) Was he wrong for trying to make a buck? If not then was the young Mike Vick from my story? Is the piss poor farmer who can feed his family for half a decade off a tiger&#039;s hide wrong? How about the african farmer poisoning lions because they&#039;re being hunted while trying to farm their land? Yes, all those things suck and aren&#039;t ethical but the big problem with fighting animal cruelty and animal conservation as a whole will always be the abundance of poverty in the areas where its needed most.

which brings me to point 3
 
3. There is a giant culture gap that exists between the people who are being prosecuted in this country and around the world, and those doing the prosecuting.  Is grown man/Millionaire athlete Michael Vick running an entire bloody enterprise a good example of this? NO. But I&#039;ll make the argument all day for young Mike Vick trying to turn a buck on an empty stomach wether its ethical or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*&#8221;young project boy named michael&#8221; &#8211;  that sounds horrible i shouldnt have wrote that&#8230;<br />
**i think you misread the part about his peers, i was speaking on people who helped HIM as a chiid growing up and who grew up in the same place not people he helped after he became famous which ur insinuating.</p>
<p>heres a couple things i do stand by however</p>
<p>1. He has served his debt and SHOULD be allowed to play football again without further punishment from the NFL(even though i don&#8217;t think he was that good to begin with and no im not a fan.)</p>
<p>2. I do think an argument exists for a child or young adult fighting a dog because everything he&#8217;s ever been taught says &#8220;thats what you do with that kind of dog.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of my best friends is from Manilla, one of the most populated and poor places on earth. As a child he said they collected and fought all kinds of animals from banana spiders to roosters for money. Keep in mind there is very little economy there, and hardly enough food or water to go around(akin to american inner cities.) Was he wrong for trying to make a buck? If not then was the young Mike Vick from my story? Is the piss poor farmer who can feed his family for half a decade off a tiger&#8217;s hide wrong? How about the african farmer poisoning lions because they&#8217;re being hunted while trying to farm their land? Yes, all those things suck and aren&#8217;t ethical but the big problem with fighting animal cruelty and animal conservation as a whole will always be the abundance of poverty in the areas where its needed most.</p>
<p>which brings me to point 3</p>
<p>3. There is a giant culture gap that exists between the people who are being prosecuted in this country and around the world, and those doing the prosecuting.  Is grown man/Millionaire athlete Michael Vick running an entire bloody enterprise a good example of this? NO. But I&#8217;ll make the argument all day for young Mike Vick trying to turn a buck on an empty stomach wether its ethical or not.</p>
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		<title>By: dank</title>
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		<dc:creator>dank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 20:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>word...i want some things to be clear here. i wrote this in 2007 as an argumentative piece for my first comp class in ten years. The assignment was to pick an absurd subject and try to argue its POV. I had some reservations about running it but hey it was meant to get a rise out of people. I love dogs, cannot wait till i have the room to have one of my own, personally i think dogfighting is disgusting and i really was feeling uneasy about running this after i seen the piece espn had been running about the dogs being adopted. i meant to get on here and leave a comment/disclaimer saying this before it got under someones skin....i do have a few arguments i ll have to get at you later with tho im outta time for now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>word&#8230;i want some things to be clear here. i wrote this in 2007 as an argumentative piece for my first comp class in ten years. The assignment was to pick an absurd subject and try to argue its POV. I had some reservations about running it but hey it was meant to get a rise out of people. I love dogs, cannot wait till i have the room to have one of my own, personally i think dogfighting is disgusting and i really was feeling uneasy about running this after i seen the piece espn had been running about the dogs being adopted. i meant to get on here and leave a comment/disclaimer saying this before it got under someones skin&#8230;.i do have a few arguments i ll have to get at you later with tho im outta time for now</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 12:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the most hollow argument for the support of dog fighting I&#039;ve ever seen. Are we to be apologists for a guy who participated in a sick and cruel business just because he was an athlete who had others turn their back on them? I&#039;m not even sure what you&#039;re arguing. Is it less sick because others didn&#039;t support him when the dog blood hit the fan? Is it less sick because &quot;mostly white men&quot; backed away and avoided responsibility? (I have no clue what &quot;white&quot; had to do with it -- and don&#039;t tell me about the culture of the hood or how black men grow up with this being okay -- at some point we have to be responsible for our actions and if you, as a grown man, don&#039;t recognize how FUCKED it is to have dogs kill each other than you don&#039;t deserve the right to breath.)

So maybe your argument goes like this. As long as you do some good shit -- loan a few bucks, volunteer with B&amp;G club (nevermind that this man got rich as fuck doing little more than working out and playing a game -- and I&#039;m a fan of the NFL, so don&#039;t go telling me how hard they work and blah, blah, blah -- dude still gets ridiculous amounts of money to get sweaty - RIDICULOUS amounts of money -- and I don&#039;t care that he got owners richer than him, that&#039;s how big business works, buddy -- doesn&#039;t mean I can use that as an excuse for CRUELTY cause the GM of the place I work at is richer than me) -- so, back to the argument -- do WHAT YOU SHOULD to show your community that you appreciate how rich they made you for playing a game and that gives you a FREE RIDE to do some SICK and CRUEL things to animals?!

Your logic is fucked, man. Your comments about the jury of his peers makes no sense... sure, it wasn&#039;t the people he reached out to on the jury -- but it also wasn&#039;t hypocrites who cashed in off him. That argument is moot, it doesn&#039;t exist, frankly you just made it up.

This weak argument (is there even an argument?) you wrote makes me wonder whether you&#039;re a fan of Michael Vick or a fan of animal cruelty. Either way, there is NO EXCUSE for what he did. And just because more people didn&#039;t take the fall doesn&#039;t excuse his VERY DEEP involvement in a VERY SICK business.

Wake up, brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the most hollow argument for the support of dog fighting I&#8217;ve ever seen. Are we to be apologists for a guy who participated in a sick and cruel business just because he was an athlete who had others turn their back on them? I&#8217;m not even sure what you&#8217;re arguing. Is it less sick because others didn&#8217;t support him when the dog blood hit the fan? Is it less sick because &#8220;mostly white men&#8221; backed away and avoided responsibility? (I have no clue what &#8220;white&#8221; had to do with it &#8212; and don&#8217;t tell me about the culture of the hood or how black men grow up with this being okay &#8212; at some point we have to be responsible for our actions and if you, as a grown man, don&#8217;t recognize how FUCKED it is to have dogs kill each other than you don&#8217;t deserve the right to breath.)</p>
<p>So maybe your argument goes like this. As long as you do some good shit &#8212; loan a few bucks, volunteer with B&amp;G club (nevermind that this man got rich as fuck doing little more than working out and playing a game &#8212; and I&#8217;m a fan of the NFL, so don&#8217;t go telling me how hard they work and blah, blah, blah &#8212; dude still gets ridiculous amounts of money to get sweaty &#8211; RIDICULOUS amounts of money &#8212; and I don&#8217;t care that he got owners richer than him, that&#8217;s how big business works, buddy &#8212; doesn&#8217;t mean I can use that as an excuse for CRUELTY cause the GM of the place I work at is richer than me) &#8212; so, back to the argument &#8212; do WHAT YOU SHOULD to show your community that you appreciate how rich they made you for playing a game and that gives you a FREE RIDE to do some SICK and CRUEL things to animals?!</p>
<p>Your logic is fucked, man. Your comments about the jury of his peers makes no sense&#8230; sure, it wasn&#8217;t the people he reached out to on the jury &#8212; but it also wasn&#8217;t hypocrites who cashed in off him. That argument is moot, it doesn&#8217;t exist, frankly you just made it up.</p>
<p>This weak argument (is there even an argument?) you wrote makes me wonder whether you&#8217;re a fan of Michael Vick or a fan of animal cruelty. Either way, there is NO EXCUSE for what he did. And just because more people didn&#8217;t take the fall doesn&#8217;t excuse his VERY DEEP involvement in a VERY SICK business.</p>
<p>Wake up, brother.</p>
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